Baptized...but not by water

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Luke 3:15-22; Acts 1:4-5; 1 Corinthians 12:12-14

Three short passages for the day, but short doesn't necessarily compute to easy. We're reading about being baptized by the Holy Spirit--very important, but it can be difficult to comprehend.

So here's my challenge to you. Would you listen to, or read the transcripts of, the Back to the Bible program today (The Holy Spirit Baptizes You)? Yes, it will take some extra time, but it'll be worth it. You see, Dr. Kroll does an outstanding job of teaching all about being baptized by the Holy Spirit--what is it, what it means, when it happens, why it's important--just to name a few.

Then, once you've listened (or read), come back and talk. Was being baptized by the Holy Spirit what you thought? Or did you learn something new? If so, what? Tami W.

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I really liked Dr. Kroll's explanation today of the differences between being baptized vs. being filled. Nowadays they're taught in a way that makes them seem both the same happening.

For the Child of God, I believe that being baptized by "fire" continues on throughout our walk with the Lord. In the sense that the Spirit reveals and will "burn up" our old sinful ways, if we yield to Him (in others words; He'll purify our lives - as fire can purify).

Having the Holy Spirit dwell within me did not change me instantly as seems to be the norm. Rather, it changed the focus of my personal life, but I remained the same person. I was a bitter, hateful and selfish person before I was saved and I remained bitter, selfish and hateful afterwards. What changed was that I began to care about other people and more or less to seek the Lord. I gained a desire to become more like Christ; to follow His example. I spent many years off-and-on working to change myself. God sent many people into my life who helped me to find the path and begin to walk it.

There has been a huge struggle within my heart between the Holy Spirit and my own earthly desires and instincts. Only within the past several years have I taken seriously the idea that I really need to change and that I really need to seek a personal relationship with the Lord. Since then, things have improved markedly. There have been some victories over some sinful things that I had struggled with since I was a kid.

What I'm saying is that baptism by the Holy Spirit seems to be presented as an instant person-changing event, but for me the change was small and the growth has been slow. Does it sound to you like there's something wrong here?

Like Ed, I like Dr. Kroll's explanation because He always quotes from the Bible what the Word says. We must never add or take away from God's Word. Dr. Kroll shows us where we can find the Scriptures to back up any thing he teaches us. Thank you Dr. Kroll and Back to the Bible. So I pray that God will make BTTB always available to us through our prayers and our tangible support.

Knowing that the Holy Spirit is in us when we are saved, and that it is not something we ask God for each day is wonderful and the more I think back it is the more I see the Truth in this. Change is gradual and one thing I know is that when I was saved the love for God and for others take over - there is no one I dislike or hate (that is a strong word). I cannot record that I have ever hated anyone but disliked yes, but now I can truly say no one. Instead I pray for people who have hurt me and it does not bother me anymore. The only time I would talk about it is if I am giving a testimony to someone who has this problem.

Everything does not happen (not to me) at the same time because I am still trying to not allow people to get me angry or for me to lose patience with them, but everyday I see that God is helping me through these obstacles and more. All we have to do is ask. He never said it would be easy but He has promised that He will never leave us or forsake us and He has not. I believe that this message today was meant for me because I have been praying for the Holy Spirit but there was always something telling me something so God cleared it up for me today.

I used to wonder also about speaking in tongues and based on Dr. Kroll's explanation and the manifestations of the Spirit found in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 (KJV) "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the Word of wisdom, to another the Word of knowledge by the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits, to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues; But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as He will"

So Tami, thanks for your lead as always. All the very best and may God always be with us.

I believe the Holy Spirit is unique to each of our situations. He doesn't present himself the same or instantly to all of us. I believe there were issues/struggles that had to be dealt with and as a result, it has brought you closer to who He is. When we realize that God is in control and we can give him that "control", then things start to change. When we hold onto it (control), then our journey seems to take "forever". Give God the control and watch your life be transformed.

Its like when our children don't think we know anything and we are too dumb, cause this is "today's" world, not what happened when mom and dad were teenagers. They choose to go thru their "struggles", when in fact if they listened to us their lives would run smoother.

Hope this helps and not hinders your walk.

I don't think so,only God knows that answer, I know for me,my walk with him, ever sense I come to know of him' he has been working in my heart. It starts with the heart I believe for me. I come to love him first,do that mean I'm going to do everything I know to please him at first? No it took time and I'm still growing in him. But I seek to know him and his words and I'm learning of him, and his relationship with his father and his children. And as my relations grow with him, I found that his blood is cleaning me and it's removing those things that are not pleasing to him. I find I don't desire those things anymore. God's love for me everyday makes me want to be more like him. For he loved me when I could'nt love me. His love is what healed me. To me it's like if you put a apple seed in the ground, it's not going to be a apple tree the next day, but when you water it , fertilize it everyday, do the right things for it, it will become a beautiful apple tree. But there also comes a time when you have to prune it also. It's all about a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ to me, that's just my opinion. Be Bless!

Actually, Wayne, your situation is more the norm than being instantly changed. The baptism of the Spirit is when the Holy Spirit places you into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). This results in complete salvation but not complete sanctification (spiritual maturity or becoming Christ-like). Peter says in 1 Peter 2:2, "Like newborn babes, long for the pure milk of the word, that by it you may grow in respect to salvation." So, like biological babies, new Christians are spiritual babies that need time to grow.

Unfortunately, not all spiritual babies grow. The apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:1-2, "And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to babes in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able."

The key to spiritual growth is not all the self-help books that are on the market today but the Word of God. Research done at the Center for Bible Engagement (here at Back to the Bible) indicates that a Christian needs to be engaged in the Word (reading, reflecting, etc.) four times or more a week if they expect to see spiritual growth. The apostle Peter indicates the same thing in the verse we quoted earlier.

When the Spirit places us in the Body of Christ (the baptism of the Spirit) that's salvation, when the Spirit places the Word in us, that's sanctification. The more time you spend in the Word, the more changes you'll see in your life. But it all takes time.

Allen, Biblical Correspondent at Back to the Bible

I really enjoyed today's show on Back to the Bible. My son was able hear part of the message today and that was good.

When I was saved, I thought that I had to be water baptized to be complete. I have learned over the years that for some, water baptismal is nothing more than a "bath". I am so thankful that I have learned better. I wish I had heard the show and knew more back then. I am glad that I can take what I learned and share it with someone else.

That study today was so refreashing. I try to speak with people, it seems weekly on how inportant this suject Baptism is to new christion. I wish it was presented the WAY DR kroll taught it today.Satin makes people confused about being baptized. Many church's don't teach and speak little about how the holy spirit comes to a believer. They start talking about baptizing and then they might end up with it"s not about salvation and not want to talk anymore. They think of water.I think what Dr Krolls said follow the bible could help clear up the confusion for some people. LUKE 3:16 John the baptist said I indeed baptize you with water,but one mightier then I cometh,the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloosen:he shall baptize you with the holy ghost and with firer. LUKE 3: 21 JESUS also being baptized, and praying,the heaven was opened up. 22 And the holy ghost decendedin a bodily shape like a dove upon him. And a voice came down from heaven and said .Thou art my beloved son in thee I am well pleased.I am sorry to say this I have fear for those people who don't want to be baptized. I just do not see the problem with going in the river waist deep being submurged in the water with your arms streched out,cleaning away old ways.repenting your sin,with other christians sharing in the joy. The angels rejoice in heaven at a sinner who was lost and now is found. It is just water but you will feel the holy spirit. Pray about it.


I just read the transcript of you and Dr. Kroll and it really for the first time explained being filled with the Holy Ghost to me. I can now explain myself to other people clearly and tonight as I read the word of God came alive in my soul.
I have been truly blessed.

Thanks and God bless to both you and Dr. Kroll.

I really hope its not too late to submit my comment.

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